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May 4, 2008 | Last Updated: 5/4/08 7:04 PM ET | Comments (36)
Backfield Has Depth, Talent, Promise

In terms of pure talent, have the Eagles ever had a group of halfbacks in a post-draft mini-camp better than the group now? From top to bottom, the Eagles have assembled a Fine Five, a crew that is going to give the coaches something to think about all the way through this season.

"We're deep there, at this point. We do have some different styles of backs; different running styles," said offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg. "Some are more effective from the back field, or out wide. Some can play out wide and in the slot in the pass game. It's good to have that depth and it's good to have that competition."

They come in different shapes and sizes and are better at some things than at other things. Brian Westbrook leads the way and has become one of the very best players in the NFL. He does everything right. He is the model here. He is the standard.

And if the Eagles want to turn to Westbrook and lean on him like they did a year ago, he is more than willing. Westbrook wants the ball in his hands. The Eagles know that. Westbrook is past the "can he stay on the field?" question. He is now in the superstar category, and his versatility has long keyed this offense.

What does he do for an encore? Well, if things go according to plan, Westbrook will give the Eagles more by having the ball less. It isn't that the Eagles plan to scheme away from Westbrook and use him as a "decoy." No, they think that if players like Kevin Curtis, Reggie Brown, L.J. Smith and DeSean Jackson stay healthy, the offense can get back to spreading the ball around  more consistently and effectively.

"Brian Westbrook is a fabulous player. I'm just saying we needed to lean on him, we had to lean on him, and we were forced to lean on him just a little bit more last year because of several things," said Mornhinweg. "If we're healthy, we can spread it around a little bit more and be a little bit more dynamic. Now we were sixth on offense last year, I think the year before we were second. We were first in big plays two years ago, and then we went to sixth last year, I believe. So we went down just a touch in our scoring—there are a lot of factors in that one, though. We certainly could be more dynamic with everybody healthy."

We know about Westbrook. We know how he fits into the offense. We know that the Eagles need him to stay on the field and be a spectacular player. What about the other four halfbacks? What are their prospective roles? Let's look into the future ...

LORENZO BOOKER

A third-round draft pick by Miami a year ago, Lorenzo Booker seems to have settled into the offense very nicely. Mornhinweg said Booker has made just one mistake in two days of practice. That's impressive.

Booker's skills are obvious once you see him. He is very quick and fast and he catches the ball well. Booker is not a power back by any means, and we don't know for sure how he will do running between the tackles in this offense. What the Eagles are learning is that Booker learns well. He is moving all over the formation, a la Westbrook, and the Eagles seem excited to get the ball in his hands.

It could be that Booker catches the football more than he runs it this year. He seems to have excellent hands and shifts into gear quickly once he makes the catch. If the Eagles can get into formations with both Booker and Westbrook, that is going to put a lot of pressure on a defense.

"You can imagine some of the other scenarios, with some of the other excellent players that we have in there, along with those two," said Mornhinweg. "Certainly with our fullback situation, we have some different style running backs. There are a lot of combinations there that we could use to put a little stress on the defensive thought process."

CORRELL BUCKHALTER

His role may not change much at all. The Eagles see him as an excellent change-of-pace back who is more of a slasher with power than is Westbrook. When called upon in 2007, Buckhalter responded brilliantly. He averaged five yards per carry, gained 313 yards and scored four touchdowns.

If anything, the Eagles were guilty of not giving Correll Buckhalter enough touches last season. And with Booker in the fold, with L.J. Smith healthy again, with DeSean Jackson on board, Buckhalter is going to find some times where he is not a first or second option. But he is an option, a good one, and the Eagles can be creative thinking of ways to get the running game cranked up with Westbrook and Buckhalter alternating carries.

TONY HUNT

We're going to find out a lot about Hunt in the spring and the summer. Tony Hunt has been a regular at the NovaCare Complex conditioning program and he looks to have more spark in his step on the field. He is in great shape.

But how can Hunt break the logjam in front of him when the season starts?

It is a good question to consider. The Eagles like Hunt, they really do, but it seems on the surface that he is pretty far down the pecking order at this position. A "short-yardage back" doesn't cut it in this offense. Hunt is going to have to show he is more than that -- a pass catcher, a blocker and an all-around running back -- and he is going to have to play well on special teams to make the roster and get on the field.

RYAN MOATS

Moats deserves a lot of credit for rehabbing the way he did after suffered a fractured ankle fibula last summer. Ryan Moats has more bulk and he is still extremely quick and shifty. He has had a good mini-camp to date.

But the reality is that Moats is going to have to be more than outstanding to make the team. Can the Eagles can four halfbacks? Maybe, depending on how the rest of the 53-man roster shakes out. Can the Eagles keep five halfbacks? I don't see how ...

Right now, Moats is No. 5 of the five-man group. He has been dazzling at times in his NFL career, but at the same time his inconsistency has been maddening. Moats can't make any mental mistakes from now until the end of training camp, and he has to get on the field and make a lot of good things happen to earn a spot on this team.

Whatever happens, the Eagles have a tremendously talented group here. They have four players who were third-round draft picks (Westbrook, Moats, Booker and Hunt) and a fourth-round draft pick (Buckhalter). There are no rookie free agents here, no feel-good, long-shot stories. Instead, there are five talented players hoping their varied skills combine to give the Eagles everything they need at the position this season.

DAY TWO OBSERVATIONS

  • The highlight of the afternoon practice came when cornerback Asante Samuel broke up a pass intended for DeSean Jackson. A.J. Feeley threw the pass, and Samuel jumped up and woofed some at Feeley after making the play. "Didn't you learn last year that you couldn't get a pass in on me?" said Samuel, bringing the whole team to laughter. Even head coach Andy Reid chuckled on that one. Samuel, of course, had two interceptions, one for a touchdown return and one in the end zone to kill a drive in the end zone late in the game to deny the Eagle the upset bid in a late-season game in New England.
  • Defensive coordinator Jim Johnson effectively answered the way he feels about Samuel's presence when asked on Sunday how it will work having three starting-quality (and more) cornerbacks on the roster. "I look forward to it every day. I'll tell you what; it's like having two Big Browns in the Kentucky Derby. You've got both those guys out there. I walk out there, I see Lito, I see Asante, I see Sheldon. It's good. Those are good players," said Johnson. "I have no hesitation about that. I just look forward to practice. I look at the film and I see two thoroughbreds out there. That doesn't even bother me." Johnson complimented Sheppard's approach and attitude. "It's good. I know it's frustrating for Lito. He's a starter, everybody wants to start. He's good. He's been a professional, he's worked hard out there and hopefully it's going to keep up. I think he wants to be here. We are in a little bit of a situation. Maybe it's bad for them, but it's good for me. I like it."
  • Wide receiver Jamal Jones and Feeley hooked up for a couple of big plays in the morning workout.
  • The defensive tackle rotation still needs to be sorted out and, honestly, somebody has to step up. Mike Patterson, Brodrick Bunkley and Trevor Laws appear to be 1-3 on the depth chart, with Montae Reagor number four. Then it's LaJuan Ramsey and Jeremy Clark, both of whom have been working with the third team.
  • There is a fifth cornerback job to be won, and on Sunday Therrian Fontenot showed up with a strip of Jason Avant and then a pass breakup in the morning. It is likely that either Fontenot, Tanard Davis or returning reserve Nick Graham gets the job. Graham has an advantage right now.
  • I have to say that I haven't seen Max Jean-Gilles get any reps at left guard with the starters, and I'm wondering if Jean-Gilles has served notice that he is going to challenge Todd Herremans for the starting job. Herremans looks terrific, in shape and is playing well in the camp.
  • L.J. Smith looks great.
  • Offensive tackle Jon Runyan was excused on Sunday, so Winston Justice took the reps at right tackle with the starters.
Backfield Has Depth, Talent, Promise
   
brizer9@...
05/05/08
7:26 pm ET
It's only May and I'm very pleased where we are now. Could I have been happier? Indeed. But,..on the other hand, some of the players that we did get, should help. and frankly,..there were surprises to the upside that I am extremely excited about for this year and beyond. Truth be told, we are counting on some players to step it up,.but what team isn't?..yea, maybe the Pats,.but then again they now have exposed weaknesses in the secondary and LB. It should be interesting and some of you should just relax and appreciate the sport. ,..and git yur popcron ready,.SB,..2009!..hope JB's spelunkin'is going well.
belaja12@...
05/05/08
6:41 pm ET
im telling you, its not as tough as you think, the tough guys are still in the AFC IMO, and i think we can play with them, they are all passing teams mainly except for pittsburgh and jax, and hopefully we will be fast enough and physical enough up front to deal with them. besides, they wont be a problem in the playoffs. we could have beaten any of those playoff teams last year at their place or ours with our team from last year. i think with our new guys we are in very good shape
belaja12@...
05/05/08
6:39 pm ET
say what you will, but there was more then adequate competition in those days. in 2001 the giants went to the super bowl, theyve been pretty consistent, maybe not as good as the cowboys are this year and they were this year, but they werent bad. and im sorry but the redskins, in there current state, are going to be awful i think. plus we lost in the playoffs to a super bowl champion tampa bay team, and a very very good rams team, like i said. if you are saying the league was weaker then in general that might be true, but still, that doesnt take away what we did. we can win. the nfc isnt all that strong now either. lets look at the playoff teams last season...seahawks, they were bad, and played in a terrible division, bucs:give me a break, giants, well we saw what they did, cowboys: choke artists they will not be good next year i think, TO is going to be hurt and barber is not a premier back period. the packers, lost Favre, and they had a kind of fluke season, even Favre was really really surprised at how far they made it. and the skins, ive already addressed them, first year head coach, new system, very young offense and kinda weak d. the NFC isnt as strong as you think. we beat dallas, should have beaten packers and seahawks, and giants, we beat the skins, and i still am amazed the bucs even made it into the playoffs.
jmkolter@...
05/05/08
6:24 pm ET
Belaja- comparing our receivers now to the Pinkston and crew is incredibly unfair in its premise. When we had pinkston and crew we were in a much weaker NFC and an incredibly weak NFC east. We didn't need to be that good to succeed. I gaurantee given the new face of the NFC and NFC east, if we had the same team we had back then we would struggle.
belaja12@...
05/05/08
5:25 pm ET
so, since this has turned into the negativity column, i figured i would give you guys some perspective on what this team has going good for it especially on offense. first off, #5 is going to be great, but that isnt the main point here. we will take a look at what we did, with much less in our run to the super bowl where we lost to the benedict arnolds. in 2001 we lost to a super bowl calibur rams team, there talent cannot be disputed, and we had lost by only 5 points. next year we lost to tampa bay, who eventually laid a beat down on the raiders in the super bowl (cant tell me the nfc was weak those years) next year we lost to the panthers, who were nasty and lost to the benedict arnolds as well. finally, we make it to the big game, with the apparent aid of TO, but we beat down the falcons and im pretty sure the vikings too with out him, and we lost by 3 with him in a game where the pats d was like robots from the future. now if we look at the offense from then, we can conclude that they were BRUTALLY BAD. nothing like what we have now. in 2003 the WR caught 5 TDs all year...ALL YEAR. that is awful in case you dont know. we are going to be much much better this year. and for all of the curtis haters, i hear you. but he caught for over 1000 yds, and the last person to do that was TO. so hes not bad. plus westbrook is a finely tuned machine from the backfield. and i dont care what you say about our receivers now, they are much better then pinkston and crew IMO. our offense has the potential to be dynamic, and i think it will be. there is a ton of speed on this team, and hopefully that can translate to big plays, bc we have guys on our roster with that ability , ie curtis, westbrook, lj, booker (hopefully) DJ(hopefully) and #5 my boy. we will be fine...better then fine
szupa@tbspa.com
05/05/08
4:08 pm ET
PhelanJo, I don't believe it. Of course the coach is saying they have the pieces to win a superbowl, guess what, the cardinals, raiders, titans and everyone else is saying the same thing right now. It's no coincidence the one year we have a true number 1 WR is the same one year we get over the hump and go to the big game. If McNabb wouldn't have had scrambled eggs that morning or if spygate would have broke sooner the eagles would be wearing rings right now. When no one is scared of your receivers it makes it easier to defend against the run, with that said look at what westbrook was able to do anyway. Then things go in reverse when it's third and 1, third and 2 or 3 and I see Mcnabb stepping back to pass because we didn't have a short yardage back. It seems like we are so painfully close but lets face it, the eagles had thier best shot when they were going to back to back nfc championship games. The cowboys are back now. The NFC is getting stronger again. 10-6 or 11-5 will not guarantee a bye week anymore. On the other hand though, where are we going to get a proven WR? The owens thing was once in a lifetime. Chad Johnson isn't going anywhere. That's thier star after all these years. Anquan Blodin? (however you spell it) Arizona told him the same thing they told fitzgerald, forget it. Roy Williams? That whole thing is one sided, who said he wants out in the first place? There's no one available. Let's hope DeSean Jackson provides enough spark to spin some heads, with him and curtis buzzing around and maybe Booker and westbrook, one in motion the defenses will have to scramble. Don't forget the all mighty L.J. Smith who is now healthy and will have at least Chad Lewis like numbers in the red zone this year. I'd be shocked if the eagles made any more drastic moves from here on out.
PhelanJo@...
05/05/08
1:11 pm ET
I just want to know how many Eagles fans believed Andy Reid when he said he all the pieces in place to win a championship. Andy does that mean Super Bowl or just an NFC championship. I you tried to get Moss or Fitzgerald or Williams. How can you look into the camera and say you have all you need when both of your best offensive players have said "no comment" You still have no deep threat against the top defensive teams. This why you were stuck in the red zone so much. I'm sure you are aware its tougher to score on a shorter field. Please give Ocho Cinco a call his numbers speak for themselves.
b4realplz@...
05/05/08
12:35 pm ET
Kirk, I won't pretend like #5 has been flawless. I'm not exactly on the Brennan bandwagon either. Colt Brennan got tossed around in his bowl game, I'd like to see him stand tall in the NFL pocket before I consider him at all. Mcnabb on the other hand has proven to me he is good enough to win a championship. My position stems from watching guys like Big Ben and Eli Manning win the Super Bowl when Mcnabb is individually better than both of them at QB. And the run that you briefly mentioned, he got to the big game with help from a good team. Most of us know Owens was playing on a bum leg and the Patriots still had to cheat in order to win. #5 still lead us past the NFCCG without the player. Tony Nomo can't even win a game without Owens. No, #5 isn't getting any younger, but I'm pretty sure he'll give the Eagles a better chance to win than a developed Kolb or Brennan. I expect Brennan to be better than Timmy Chang, but not a Super Bowl champion. Mcnabb just needs some help on offense and he'll deliver the Lombardi and he knows he can do it too. I question Brennan and Kolbs toughness under center in the NFL. That was Eli's main problem up until his last 6 or 7 games. The Eagles aren't a running team, and have an overall average group of wide outs. I think it is unfair to label Mcnabb a choke artist when I don't think any active QB could have won the Super Bowl given the same situation. And until this team either runs more, or upgrades at wide out I don't expect the outcome to change. The Eagles are clearly looking for an upgrade, hence the current depth at the position and the interest whenever any true #1 is rumored to be available. At least this year there is a serious effort to fix the depth problem of the team in general and not just one position. Still I think he's good enough to get it done, he just needs someone other than Westbrook to help him.
szupa@tbspa.com
05/05/08
11:38 am ET
Sorry Kirk, I'm with you, sometimes I slip into sarcasim moods but their is no font for being sarcastic som I come off sounding like I actually mean what I'm saying. Our WR's suck, when your no.1 guy gets stolen away to play no.3 somewhere else, and we're picking up the Ram's no.3 guy to be our no.1 one (no offense curtis) That's not good. Schoebel? I forgot we had him.
kirk.zihlman19@...
05/05/08
11:27 am ET
I marginally agree with b4 and probably have to disagree with azupa here regarding WR. This is not one of the more talented groups in the league, it's just not. Don't fool yourselves. I agree that McNabb does rise to the top when he has talent, (see T.O.), but what keeps him from being a great QB is that he chokes. He will continue to be a great thinking QB, unfortunately that maturity will be paralleled by his declining athletic abilities. I wish the igs could have made a move for Brennan in the draft. I think Feeley is expendible at this point, same with Schobel. Let's go get some real depth at CB while Wisconsin Jack recovers from injury and Hansen continues to get better. The RB situation looks great, even for a team that hardly runs the ball. Use Moats on ST as a gunner during preseason and then let him go, he's had his chance here. Bye.
b4realplz@...
05/05/08
10:45 am ET
szupa, I'd have to say the talent at the top of a group of lets say INDY, balances out us being better at the bottom since the bottom receivers on any team hardly get the ball. I'd take Harrison,Wayne,Gonzales, and 2 random UFA's over our starting 5. Last year there was Randy Moss, Stallworth, Welker, & Gaffney. I can honestly say I've seen more talented. The wild card is that all 3 examples have great QB's, and I'd argue that if Mcnabb was giving the same talent at the top as a Manning or Brady, like them, he'd have his championship ring as well.
b4realplz@...
05/05/08
10:37 am ET
Not giving Buckhalter enough touches, guilty as charged. And with 4 backs on the roster it is likely to happen again. Perhaps, if the team ran more balanced in general, there would be more touches to go around for the running backs, who IMO, are more talented a croup than the wide outs as a unit. Here is my problem with the philosophy in general. There is probably a fine short yaradage back in Tony Hunt, one that people have been crying we need for at least 2 or 3 years, but since he may not be versatile enough, there is a chance he could ride the bench again or not even make the roster. Versatility is important, but if he fills a need, I don't see the problem. Use him for what he is good at. And I really don't buy that we don't need it, I'm so sick of seeing this team put the ball in the air on 3rd and 1. If an offense can't grind out 1 yard on the ground, how can you expect to be a Super Bowl team? Yes, there are sometimes that you want to catch a team off balance and change pace, but the Eagles aren't fooling anyone by throwing on 3rd and short right now. IF we carry a FB, keep Chris Wilson on as back up TE, and have 4 RB's on the roster what does it matter if the kid isn't the greatest pass blocker? If he can't catch out of the back field, why put him in the position to fail? Focus on using these guys talents, instead of forcing them into situations where mistakes will be made during a game. I'm telling you now, if the idea is to throw deep until running lanes open up , this is going to be another short season.
szupa@tbspa.com
05/05/08
10:29 am ET
Hey Kirk, don't worry about Chad, this is the year of the Reggie! I know he had a sub-par "sophmore-leap" in year 2 and year 3 was supposed to be the break out year but this year, year 4, I like to call the "senior-step up year"! This is the year it comes together for Reggie, consistency! Maybe not totally for every game that will come in year 5 or 6. But with Reggie AND no.3 guy curtis AND no.4 guy Lewis and everyone else, have you ever seen a WR group so deep and talented? From top to bottom?
kirk.zihlman19@...
05/05/08
9:59 am ET
And thus begins a long summer of "Therrian Fontenot lokks good" blurbs by Spuds. I didn't see the usual entire paragraph designated for hyping up Pago Toofatagu, maybe he didn't share his Frosted Flakes with spuds at team breakfast. I'm sure Bill Sampy will pick up the slack and Spuds will convince us all not to demand a Chad Johnson trade given our current greatness at WR!
szupa@tbspa.com
05/05/08
9:42 am ET
Dave, you are right! The answer is NO! The eagles have never assembled a better group of RB's EVER! The different styles of backs is mind-blowing! All 5 are different! And how about tight end? Have the eagles EVER assembled such a fine group of tight ends in the history of the eagles franchise? I submit NOT! They're deep there, at this point, each one is a different height and weight and will give competition. But last and not least, the wide receivers, seriously, have the eagles ever, EVER had such a group of purely talented wide receivers at this point? HELL NO! This is the finest group of recievers not only in eagles history but honestly, frankly, in the history of the nfl, at this point. Each one has a different kind of hair style and eye color and they came from various colleges so it's good to have that depth and competition. Now if we could only assemble a group like this for cornerback we'd be set.
golda.lewis@...
05/04/08
9:52 pm ET
i love the saying,"Every position at this point has depth".Just wait 'till 53 cut down day,then we'll see what holes we have.I also have it on good authority that the Redskins drafted QB Colt Brennan for one reason only,cuz they knew Reid wanted him.Oh,and don't try and learn all 80 or so of these players,cuz they'll be gone in a couple of months.Yeah what depth,it'll really come in handy when the season starts.......give me a break.........
golda.lewis@...
05/04/08
9:46 pm ET
Spadaro says:"The Eagles know that Westbrook is past the,can he stay on the field?,question.If I didn't know better,I could've sworn that he has missed at least one game every year since he was drafted,and last year missed significant time.We sure could've used him in the first Giant game last season(The Miscarriage of JUSTICE 12 sack game).I'd rather have him blocking than Justice.If he and the rest of the starters stay healthy this season,it's Super Bowl time in Philadelphia!And this year,I'm not gonna be satisfied just getting there,unlike 2005.
belaja12@...
05/04/08
8:19 pm ET
haha, sorry about the vagueness of my post. allow me to elaborate a little bit. i have heard that lito is taking things very well. and asante has been heard using terms such as "family" and i think that this is promising. also heard reports of lito smiling on the field, and i think on this site i read that lito and asante were next to eachother on one knee while the offense was getting reps today. that to me is very encouraging. i would love to see this defense opperate with those guys. think about them on each side and sheldon playing slot, he would be a blitzing nightmare half of the time. and if smith can make good on all of this buzz surrounding him even a little bit i would be very excited. and with #20 healthy, happy, with nothing to think about except football...good news indeed. i think that reid will do a good job keeping these guys happy, i really do. idk, i read the interview with OC and he was saying a lot of stuff about speed and quickness, sounds good to me there too. sorry about getting that number one, but i had to do it. oo yea, and if laws is as good as his hype is we will be big and physical on the inside...good stuff all around on D
brizer9@...
05/04/08
7:12 pm ET
well done,.dikhead....and good job with your nothing said post....I'll have to do alot of research to verify your comments!...yea,..i'm just jealous,..u twerp!
belaja12@...
05/04/08
7:01 pm ET
we do have a lot of potential in that backfield, but i have to think the big story is the promising defense. 3 corners...lots of speed on the end...physical on the inside...best safety int the league. i cant wait
belaja12@...
05/04/08
7:00 pm ET
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